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#3102043 - 07/12/13 12:42 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Scott K]
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Originally Posted By: Scott K
I agree with lawdog on this one, he should have never been charged in the first place. The evidence wasnt there to proceed, but once the media circus went off on it, they then slapped together whatever hearsay, and non evidence they could, to quiet the masses.

I hope Zimmerman actually turns around and sues the court for his costs in this thing.


I totally agree Scott. I believe the state felt they had to do something so Zimmerman is thier scapegoat.

Everyone should and does have thier day in court but this case should never have gone there for the lack of substanial or factual evidence. Hearsay should not be enough to charge a person of any crime.

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#3102044 - 07/12/13 12:43 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: tacklejunkie]
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Originally Posted By: tacklejunkie

And why is it assumed that black people will riot if ,in the likely event, Zimmerman is aquitted?


Ask the OP and some of those who responded to him? I'd like to hear their answers.
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#3102060 - 07/12/13 01:38 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: harvey lee]
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I have always felt that the jury instructions from the Judge can be very confusing as they are lengthy and filled with legal and evidence related terms, terms not normal to the average citizen.....Pages of instructions!........I have watched this scenario unfold many times in criminal trials and have come to believe that jurors come away with a highly elevated level of loyalty to the court and the legal system ,and an empowerment to adhere strickly to the letter of the law, which unfortunately has there mind spinning with the many aspects of the case including all the testimony, the attorney wranglings , the emotional closing arguments and jury instructions.......Confusing for sure. `

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#3102072 - 07/12/13 01:59 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: corncob]
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If thier minds are spinning, then there must not have been enough hard actual evidense to fine Zimmerman guilty of eother charge.

One has to deal with fact and the State has to prove beyond ANY reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty. If there is any question in regards to this, then he should be found not guilty.

You may believe the grass is greener on the other side. If you take the time to water yours, it would be just as green.



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#3102085 - 07/12/13 02:46 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: harvey lee]
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#3102088 - 07/12/13 02:55 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: toughguy]
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Well that certainly is an interestingly colorful tie given the circumstances....

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#3102089 - 07/12/13 03:00 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Canon Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Canon Guy

Ask the OP and some of those who responded to him? I'd like to hear their answers.


Alex Jones told them so.
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#3102092 - 07/12/13 03:08 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: bobbymalone]
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Yeah I would have dressed the entire defense team and the defendant in green that day grin
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#3102097 - 07/12/13 03:41 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Whoaru99]
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Originally Posted By: Whoaru99
Florida law provides for deadly force self-defense even to the instigator if they believe they are at risk of grave injury or death from the other person.

I'm no legal eagle by any ones definition but I have to believe there's much more to it than what you've stated. The way I interpret this is if I go and pick a fight with someone (instigator), and if I start getting my azz handed to me, I can, by law, shoot the guy?

What am I missing here? confused

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#3102102 - 07/12/13 03:46 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Kidd]
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I'd be shocked if Zimmerman is acquitted.

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#3102117 - 07/12/13 04:15 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Kidd]
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Kidd, there is no solid proof Zimmerman started the physical fight. That is pure speculation by the family and prosecution.

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#3102131 - 07/12/13 04:56 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: upnorth]
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I'd be surprised if Zimmerman is acquitted as well. Seems to be too many emotions influencing the trial. Including the fact there shouldn't be a trial in the first place. Especially after the arrest warrant was falsified. I guess I'm a little surprised the trial wasn't ended immediately (mistrial) when this was brought into the light.

In the end, there were two people who didn't have an obligation to retreat and by FL law were allowed to "stand their ground". Martin was being followed by someone he didn't known let alone knowing if Zimmerman was a threat or not. Zimmerman also didn't have to retreat. The 2 clashed and IMO the person with the upper hand in the confrontation was shot/killed.
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#3102132 - 07/12/13 04:59 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: LMITOUT]
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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
I'd be shocked if Zimmerman is acquitted.


What evidence is there beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not shoot Travon believeing he was going to be beaten to death?

NO one can prove Zimmerman was thinking that but with the way his face looked and with traven kicking the h&ll out of him, would we all not fear for our lives to some degree?

if so, then self defense.

I also believe if Zimmerman is found guilty of either charge, they will file for a mistrial. Mark Garagas said this case was full of issues and he believes he would have no trouble with this. Mark is a great defense atty that does know the court as well as anyone.e
I have no idea what the verdict will be but I believe after watching weeks of this trial, that Zimmerman should walk free. Is there some issues with the fact this should not have happened, yes, but that does not change the fact that Zimmerman feared for his life and dur to Travon beating him, he shot him.

You may believe the grass is greener on the other side. If you take the time to water yours, it would be just as green.



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#3102140 - 07/12/13 05:20 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: RumRiverRat]
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Well, now it appears to be time for the padlock.

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#3102148 - 07/12/13 05:47 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: harvey lee]
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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
I'd be shocked if Zimmerman is acquitted.


Originally Posted By: harvey lee
What evidence is there beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not shoot Travon believeing he was going to be beaten to death?

NO one can prove Zimmerman was thinking that but with the way his face looked and with traven kicking the h&ll out of him, would we all not fear for our lives to some degree?

if so, then self defense.

I also believe if Zimmerman is found guilty of either charge, they will file for a mistrial. Mark Garagas said this case was full of issues and he believes he would have no trouble with this. Mark is a great defense atty that does know the court as well as anyone.e
I have no idea what the verdict will be but I believe after watching weeks of this trial, that Zimmerman should walk free. Is there some issues with the fact this should not have happened, yes, but that does not change the fact that Zimmerman feared for his life and dur to Travon beating him, he shot him.


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#3102149 - 07/12/13 05:51 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Kidd]
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Originally Posted By: Kidd

I'm no legal eagle by any ones definition but I have to believe there's much more to it than what you've stated. The way I interpret this is if I go and pick a fight with someone (instigator), and if I start getting my azz handed to me, I can, by law, shoot the guy?

What am I missing here? confused



That is the basic essence of it, albeit simplified a bit too much. Simply getting your a$$ handed to you isn't enough justification. The parts most people overlook when they try to simplify it even more are -

1. Your provocation of the person kicking your a$$ wasn't a felony offense. Simply instigating a fight with words or a punch isn't aggravated/felony assault.
2. Has to be fear of grave bodily harm or death in the eyes of a reasonable person.
3. There was NO other alternative to the use of self defense/deadly force
4. That almost certainly your lawyer will have to prove/demonstrate to the reasonable people on the jury in your trial that 1, 2, & 3 applied to your situation.

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#3102168 - 07/12/13 06:57 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Whoaru99]
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Martin is no different than a feral hog.

He was a feral youth.

The scumbag got what he deserved.

Good riddance.

I hope the Hispanics riot if Zimmerman is convicted.

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#3102180 - 07/12/13 07:39 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: RumRiverRat]
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Originally Posted By: RumRiverRat
Martin is no different than a feral hog.

He was a feral youth.

The scumbag got what he deserved.

Good riddance.

I hope the Hispanics riot if Zimmerman is convicted.


Martin is deceased. So the reference to him in the present tense is not grammatically correct.

It should read "Martin was blah blah blah"

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#3102188 - 07/12/13 08:11 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Slabasaurus]
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You just said you would be shocked if he was aquitted. Sure sounded like you believed he would be found guilty.

But, you can sit in the middle and post what you please, that is your right.

Some want to make it sound like Travon was an innocent young kid but he did throw the 1st punch. He could have ran away but did not.

You may believe the grass is greener on the other side. If you take the time to water yours, it would be just as green.



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#3102189 - 07/12/13 08:22 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: harvey lee]
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Some want to make it sound like Travon was an innocent young kid but he did throw the 1st punch. He could have ran away but did not.



Exactly..

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#3102190 - 07/12/13 08:24 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: RumRiverRat]
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Originally Posted By: RumRiverRat
Martin is no different than a feral hog.

He was a feral youth.

The scumbag got what he deserved.

Good riddance.

I hope the Hispanics riot if Zimmerman is convicted.


I'd like to say I'm surprised to read this type of thing from someone here, but sadly I'm not at all surprised.


Edited by Canon Guy (07/12/13 08:27 PM)
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#3102193 - 07/12/13 08:26 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: upnorthvoice]
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How does anyone know who threw the first punch? It use to be if it were two men fighting they stuck with using their hands. One a kid, one week past 16 years old, the other a 29 year old who seems to be itching to use his pistol since the police didn't want him in their ranks.
Still, I think the dummy will be aquitted because of reasonable doubt. No one of us knows what exactly happened. A young man is dead and it didn't have to happen if some pretty horrible judgement hadn't been used.

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#3102195 - 07/12/13 08:26 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: Slabasaurus]
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Zimmerman is going to have a tough uphill battle after he's acquitted. He won't be able to live a normal life for a long time, if ever again. Aside from living with the guilt and remorse of killing someone (even though it was justified), he's going to constantly have to be looking over his shoulder. He'll have to move to Alaska or Canada or something!

As far as Trayvon Martin goes...was he a punk thug? Yes! I firmly believe he had a future full of continuous stints in county lockup, as well as countless hours of community service. But did he deserve to die? I would say no, but it was the ultimate consequence for the actions he chose. He gave Zimmerman an unfair decision to make.

Also, does anyone else think that skittles is paying the media to promote their product? Seriously! It's skittles this, and skittles that! You don't hear much about the arizona iced tea he also had.

And on a side note. I'm 32 years old, I'm 5'11 and about 215 pounds. When I was 17 I was about 150 pounds. The 17 year old version of me would beat the living tar out of the current version of me! So needless to say, I'm tired of hearing everyone say a "kid" couldn't beat up an adult in the manner in which happened to Zimmerman.


Edited by JBMasterAngler (07/12/13 08:46 PM)
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#3102200 - 07/12/13 09:06 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: JBMasterAngler]
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#3102201 - 07/12/13 09:09 PM
Re: Zimmerman trial [Re: JBMasterAngler]
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Martin is where he would have ended up eventually. 6 feet under because he was a piece of garbage.

He picked a fight with a guy carrying a gun and was killed because of it.

Good Riddance.

Burn in hell Trayvon Martin

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