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#2903162 - 09/04/12 10:24 PM
Mn Wolf
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Looking to discuss the wolf season. My parents neighbor across the road, had a prowling wolf. During day time. They have horses. No big deal. But they have a bigger black lab that barked and tried to put it in place. It dwarfed the lab and took no notice to the lab. It prowled the property without a scare. They had to bring the dog in. Apparently these wolves are not afraid of much now. If they show themselves in the daylight. It happened. Not coyotes. At what point do you consider these animals a threat? To local kids? Do ya treat em like cougar?
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#2903165 - 09/04/12 10:39 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: BlackArrow1]
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Locally I saw a road kill wolf last fall. I stopped and thought it was a deer. It was not. Could not believe the size of this dog. I'm just saying, there are some big ones roaming. Carlton county.
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#2903295 - 09/05/12 07:57 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: BlackArrow1]
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The wolves are very much a threat to their dog (very territorial) and not much else. If there is enough of them they might be able to take a horse down but it would be an extreme case. They don't pose much of a threat to humans but next time they see one fire a couple shots in the air just to keep it that way.
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#2903316 - 09/05/12 08:21 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: BlackArrow1]
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Originally Posted By: BlackArrow1
At what point do you consider these animals a threat?


prowling the property with no fear of humans, that meets my definition. I know what I'd do but thats up to you to decide.

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#2903333 - 09/05/12 08:41 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: skee0025]
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I spent 4 days on a house boat out of crane lake this summer. The marina manager said he sees wolves every single day. Said they are thick around there and have little fear of humans.
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#2903749 - 09/05/12 09:05 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Kyle]
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Gotta love the antis putting up billboards on 494 about how we will kill off all the wolves makes me sick if they only knew

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#2903952 - 09/06/12 09:35 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: BlackArrow1]
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I didn't think this topic would be this tame!
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#2903974 - 09/06/12 10:17 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: blarkey]
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Originally Posted By: blarkey
I didn't think this topic would be this tame!


I can't believe all of you horrible people that would consider killing a beatiful animal like a wolf! You should all be ashamed of yourselves. (How is that?)

p.s. That was sarcasm, used for my entertainment only.

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#2903981 - 09/06/12 10:26 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Dylan33]
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I feel shame. frown wink
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#2904112 - 09/06/12 01:42 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Bear55]
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Couldn't help myself......applied for the wolf hunt.

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#2904132 - 09/06/12 02:06 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Jameson]
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FYI. Today is the last day to put in for it!

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#2904145 - 09/06/12 02:27 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: leech~~]
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Would have gladly put in for one, but have never seen one where we hunt. Heard a few one of my bow spots, but not enough coming through to justify the expense for em.

I liked the "I feel shame" line best.

Rodd
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#2904233 - 09/06/12 04:40 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: bigbucks]
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Originally Posted By: bigbucks
Would have gladly put in for one, but have never seen one where we hunt. Heard a few one of my bow spots, but not enough coming through to justify the expense for em.

I liked the "I feel shame" line best.
Hey you never know when your lotto number is going to hit either! It could happen! laugh

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#2904236 - 09/06/12 04:47 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: leech~~]
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I'd say prowling the property during daylight is enough of a threat. Just my guess but its determined its now his territory, or hes a lone wolf and looking for an easy meal opportunity. I think I would put it down (after missing a few times of course)

I too am enjoying the anti-DNR signs up in the st. paul area. Be interesting once the season starts what any protests or whatever may look like.

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#2904269 - 09/06/12 05:51 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: pinkfloyd4ever]
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I've seen wolves within 150 yards of my parents house and they just kept right on walking when hollered at. But here's an open question for all of you! How many people will give a flying funk if a wolf walks out in front of them and they do not have a permit? This is the first year it is open and I'm guessing anyone with a rifle and "questionable" integrity will pull the trigger. Any thoughts, ideas, or comments are welcome. This is just my observation with mankind now days.
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#2904278 - 09/06/12 06:13 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Notime]
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Originally Posted By: Notime
I've seen wolves within 150 yards of my parents house and they just kept right on walking when hollered at. But here's an open question for all of you! How many people will give a flying funk if a wolf walks out in front of them and they do not have a permit? This is the first year it is open and I'm guessing anyone with a rifle and "questionable" integrity will pull the trigger. Any thoughts, ideas, or comments are welcome. This is just my observation with mankind now days.

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#2904279 - 09/06/12 06:13 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Notime]
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I'll admit to being tempted, would I pull the trigger, I don't know, but it would be tempting. My family did put in for a permit, so there is that

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#2904415 - 09/06/12 09:59 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Dylan33]
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thats better! also sarcasm LOL
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#2904535 - 09/07/12 08:08 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: pinkfloyd4ever]
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I don't believe that party hunting is allowed with the wolf tag......

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#2904542 - 09/07/12 08:22 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: picksbigwagon]
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While putting out bear baits over the labor day weekend, I ran into a DNR trapper...he was trapping and radio collaring timbers south of the Faunce tower...he said he'd caught and collared one that morning on the rapid river road...it's part of thier "population" study and they collar so many each time they do the study...He said they put collars on about half a dozen the week before about 20 miles east...I asked how far west the went and he said about to Hayes Park, but he didn't expect to collar any over that way this year as a pack had been taken out near there due to predation on some of the area farmers cattle and turkeys...I asked if they ever collar any farther east, like from Middle River and west towards the Red River Valley...he said they did a couple of times....but, he said..."they all seem to get shot over there"! grin So, they don't go that far west anymore....


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#2904549 - 09/07/12 08:33 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: picksbigwagon]
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I can't speak for everyone in the state, but I know in our region there are a lot of wolf haters out there. Pretty much anything with hair that isn't inside a fenced pasture gets shot, no matter what time of year it is.

They have their place, the wolves, of that there is no doubt. Don't really know how I'd handle a routinely visiting full grown wolf on our property. Suppose I'd be a little nervous about our kids, and the dog. Heck, I'm always worried about our new pup running into a skunk or raccoon! Just glad we aren't in your shoes.

I think I'd call the DNR and talk to them about the issue. They might offer some helpful advice about how you might permanently chase the animal off your property?

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#2904575 - 09/07/12 09:16 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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Well maybe I can stir the pot a little.

First off I do agree with the wolf hunt. An unchecked population is not a good thing for Minnesota or the wolf and deer populations. Personally I won't take part because I don't like killing something that I can't eat but I have no problem with the legal hunt.

I also do think that we need to improve in our ability to coexist with wolves in MN. The one concern I have is the mentality of some hunters that think the only good wolf is a dead wolf. Most of the guys I talk to up near our hunting area have this mentality. They talk about how the wolves are taking all of "their" deer every year. They don't seem to realize that wolves are native to MN and are meant to be here and are meant to eat deer. Hoepfully someday we will be able to find a balance between hunters, deer, and the wolves although it will take awhile and I don't think a legalized hunt will solve it.

And the last thing, if you don't have a permit to hunt wolves please don't shoot one unless it is an active threat to livestock, pet, or person. A wolf walking your property during the day does not make it an active threat. It just means its out for a walk. Shooting a non threatening wolf without a permit is irresponsible and illegal. Personally if I saw you do it I'd have no problem calling the TIP line and reporting it. Its no different then going out and shooting a deer in july, poaching is poaching.

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#2904584 - 09/07/12 09:33 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Sometimes I wonder how much Minnesotans would freak out if they saw a moose or brown bear outside their window while chowing on some wheaties in the morning.

No biggie for me.
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#2904601 - 09/07/12 10:08 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: mainbutter]
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that The DNR trapper also said that the all the wolves he had trapped this summer to collar were only about 60% of what thier "normal" weight should be for this time of year...we asked is that because of the "lack" of deer and other food sources? And he responded..."yes, deer numbers were way down in most of the area's he'd been trapping and also, (just like a dog), when conditions are extremely dry, the wolves nose doesn't pick up scent as easily as when there is more moisture in the vegetation...I found that quite interesting....About an hour after we talked to him, I thought of the most obvious question..."what are you using for bait?" He was using leg-hold traps...Gosh, I hope I run into him again!


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#2904707 - 09/07/12 02:46 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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Think a bit to nofishfisherman is the "investment" so many have made to the whitetailed deer investing lots of $ I would venture a wild guess that knocking on a farmers door to seek rifle or gun deer hunting permission is most likely the toughest permission to get and if wolves primarily like 99% of the time ate rabbits,squirrel and mice there'd be no issue, but they inhale the deer so it fires up the masses that have invested so much especially in our rapid inflation era we are living in. All I know for sure is my uncle usually has thousands of trail cam deer pics yearly, now this year mega mega wolves in farmland country and they are really destroying the fawn crop like very very very few fawns after a winter where nearly every doe should have had twins, they get it first, then momma, it has changed his area south of HWY 10 for likely the next several years, these are not large tracts of land by no means, but yes the wolf has a place I just don't think intended for several packs to be living south of that major highway. Thankfully they can now be managed for the better for all involved.
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#2904724 - 09/07/12 03:05 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Musky Buck]
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And if you remember...this spring, the DNR pretty much acknowledged that there were way to many wolves outside the area the DNR defines as the "wolf core area"....this may be hard to get under control...as what I've noticed in over 20 years of hunting bear and grouse 60 miles east of me in the Beltrami forest and hunting deer here on the eastern edge of the Red River Valley...when deer numbers are good in the Beltrami forest area....we have less wolves around the eastern side of the RRV...when the deer numbers drop drasticly in the Beltrami forest, for whatever reason, severe winters, wolf depredation...whatever...we have alot more wolves and livestock depradation reports in our deer hunting area...wolves will move where the food is...they are not like some other wildlife that spend the majority of thier life in a 2 or 3 square mile area...This first season will be interesting for sure...hope I get drawn for a trapping tag, and I hope I can find out what that DNR trapper uses for bait when he is trapping and collaring 3 to 5 wolves a week in Sept!! It atta work like magic in late November!!!


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#2904742 - 09/07/12 03:38 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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I have been telling the wolves for years that there are more deer to the south and west, it looks like they are finally listening. Sorry guys my bad.
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#2904794 - 09/07/12 05:16 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Bear55]
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They are nomads...when they clean out everything there is to eat and use in one area...they move on to greener pastures or they die of starvation...And they never, ever listen to a bear that's 55 years old! grin


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#2904874 - 09/07/12 08:44 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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grin never trust a 55 year old bear.

However I can promise you they won't clean the herd out and move on, they do seem to create a herd of super deer. When fawns start acting like 3 year old bucks you know they grew up in wolf country.
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#2904937 - 09/07/12 11:31 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Bear55]
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Musky Buck, I certainly do get some of the frustration these guys feel. There in a large investment into the sport by many hunters and its hard to see things change. The problem is that the guys I've talked to made these investments when the deer population was artificially made larger by the absence of their main natural predator. They came to see the deer population without wolves as the norm when the truth is the population was much larger than normal by the absence of wolves.

I'm sure it will take time for hunters to get accustomed to the existence of wolves and their impact on the deer herd. It very well may take a new generation who grows up hunting with wolves as a competitor. Hopefully with the legalized hunt we'll see the wolf population get into check and get back to its core range and hopefully that will help speed up the acceptance of the wolves.

On a side note. I think its true that the wolves won't totally deplete the deer in an entire area. If that's how they operate they would never have survived as a species. Sooner or later they would have killed off all the deer and starved to death. Instead I think the wolves make for smarter and more wary deer. This forces hunters to rethink their strategy and adapt their strategy to account for the change in deer behavior. If you are seeing wolves on cam and no deer that doesn't mean the wolves killed all the deer. If there are no deer in the area then why would the wolves be hanging around? If there are wolves there should be deer somewhere in the area so likely the deer wised up and changed their patterns to avoid the wolves.

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#2904978 - 09/08/12 07:24 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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I wasn't saying the wolves kill "all" the deer in a given area...I said when populations drop due to any number of factors...depradation, severe winters, etc....Wolves will travel, 50-100-150-200 miles to hunt and when they get into ag areas and start feeding on sheep, cattle, turkeys, etc... that's when they get into trouble.


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#2904983 - 09/08/12 07:36 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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There were a lot of other factors besides the lack of wolves that increased the deer population. In the 70's there were not many deer and not many wolves in the core wolf area.

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#2904996 - 09/08/12 08:02 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Originally Posted By: nofishfisherman


I'm sure it will take time for hunters to get accustomed to the existence of wolves and their impact on the deer herd. It very well may take a new generation who grows up hunting with wolves as a competitor. Hopefully with the legalized hunt we'll see the wolf population get into check and get back to its core range and hopefully that will help speed up the acceptance of the wolves.

On a side note. I think its true that the wolves won't totally deplete the deer in an entire area. If that's how they operate they would never have survived as a species. Sooner or later they would have killed off all the deer and starved to death. Instead I think the wolves make for smarter and more wary deer. This forces hunters to rethink their strategy and adapt their strategy to account for the change in deer behavior. If you are seeing wolves on cam and no deer that doesn't mean the wolves killed all the deer. If there are no deer in the area then why would the wolves be hanging around? If there are wolves there should be deer somewhere in the area so likely the deer wised up and changed their patterns to avoid the wolves.




Good post nofish. As someone who grew up hunting with wolves it is no big deal. Sure they eat their fair share of deer but there is no reason to fear that. I do think they are a little overpopulated now but with the hunting season now open and a nice mild winder to benefit the deer their population will be kept in check.
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#2904997 - 09/08/12 08:04 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Great post non-fisherman. Educated commentary that this wolf guy respects. I believe the wolf to be a magnificent creature. I have more problems with deer than wolves. Although not a deer hunter, I spend a lot of time in the woods and always marvel at the delicate balance of nature. Both sides of the deer/wolf scenario are often misconstrued. Nature has a way of taking care of business. I respect that.
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#2905163 - 09/08/12 06:35 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Mike Sertich]
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In the area we hunt it is actually quite rare to see a wolf in deer season...but they are here as in the past two years they have trapped 5 or more each year near a sheep farm just a mile west of where we hunt...It's fun to see wolves, cougers, bears, etc. in an ag area where in the 70's all there was to hunt were birds, deer, moose, fox & coons...What happens over here though is not so much someone shooting a wolf just because they saw one, but more that a livestock producer looses 25-50 or more lambs or turkeys, or a cattle farmer looses a calf or two and it's cheaper for the DNR, (or whoever pays for it), to call in a state predator controller and just get rid of the problem before it costs the state more money in restitution....


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#2905203 - 09/08/12 08:42 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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I'll buy into the "co-exist" spiel when the wolves are successfully re-populated in the Twin Cities area.. whistle

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#2905214 - 09/08/12 09:02 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: swamptiger]
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if they keep the the quota at 400 per year, the wolves will be bountiful in metropolitan areas before you know it! Enjoy!


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#2905218 - 09/08/12 09:15 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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What makes you think wolves will be bountiful in the metro area? According to the wolf studies the population of wolves have been more or less steady over the last several years. So without increased populations why would they be ranging as far south as the metro area? Believe it or not they haven't killed all the deer in northern Minnesota so there is still food available to them.

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#2905253 - 09/09/12 02:24 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Originally Posted By: nofishfisherman
What makes you think wolves will be bountiful in the metro area? According to the wolf studies the population of wolves have been more or less steady over the last several years. So without increased populations why would they be ranging as far south as the metro area? Believe it or not they haven't killed all the deer in northern Minnesota so there is still food available to them.



Well they just have to go south a little bit but the dnr has a confirmed breeding pack of wolves in the Dalbo area. I also know their are a few that got loose into Carlos Avery.

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#2905263 - 09/09/12 06:10 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Archerysniper]
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Nofish...I was just kidding....I would find it very unlikely that any metro area would ever have a pack of wolves make that area thier home...but I suppose it could be possible...coyotes, racoons and bears seem to like to snoop around larger cities quite regularly when the hunting gets tougher wherever they normally range...And you are right, the wolves haven't killed all the deer in northern mn...heck even the sharpshooters, and unlimited tags in year long seasons couldn't wipe em out!


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#2906168 - 09/10/12 09:47 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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Only 23,000 applicants?
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#2906533 - 09/11/12 01:48 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: C10]
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Does anyone think the hunters will fill the first season quota? I don't.

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#2906542 - 09/11/12 01:57 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: C10]
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Only 23,000 applicants?


Any idea on the number breakdown for each season? A, B, and C trapping?
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#2906551 - 09/11/12 02:07 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Jameson]
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Hard to say if they will fill the quota. I think it will be tough. I applied and see wolves very often while deer hunting. If I get drawn, I like my odds. However, I know a lot of people who applied who have never seen a wolf in their life, but just want to have a tag to say that they have one. If any of them get drawn, their chances are near zero to bag a wolf.

On a different (but related) note, I was driving with my girlfriend north of Isabella this past weekend. We were on the North Shore and had a couple of hours to spare and I wanted to see some burned areas first hand from the Pagami Creek Fire last fall. On our way back she made the comment "it would be fun to see a wolf - from the car". About a half hour later 3 monster timber wolves crossed the road right in front of us. No matter how many times I see them, I never get sick of it. Pretty awesome animals!
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#2906568 - 09/11/12 02:24 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: NoWiser]
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i guess I should have asked a while back. What do you do with a wolf once you shoot it? Is there any way to utilze the animal?

If you shot it from a stand while deer hunting I can't imagine the hide would be in very good shape after getting hit with a 30.06 or other large caliber rifle.

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#2906576 - 09/11/12 02:32 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Jameson]
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Originally Posted By: Jameson
Does anyone think the hunters will fill the first season quota? I don't.


I think the chances are better with a mild winter.
Since the deer are more agile with less snow, the wolves have to find another source of food.

Wolves, especially when moving pups to better food sources are probably easier to see during less snow periods, and better yet after rain fall.
So I'm thinking the early bird will get the job done.

one thing to think about is pups will always be hungry. Cut off some of the food source and they will be less reliant on fear instincts and more on survival for food.

Sure they'll spread out from hunting pressure, but you put anything
{even a gun totin wolf nabber}in between them and a food source and they will do what ever it takes to eat. The surplus killings that wolves often do may even become more prevalant in some areas.

There's been over 240 wolves killed in MN this year already by Federal, and State trappers and farmers. Hope to see a reduction in domestic restitution which has been near $160,000 so far this year.

In mo, I think an early tag is going to be easier to fill.
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#2906607 - 09/11/12 03:28 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Make a nice hat out of it. The big hole just adds character to it. smile

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#2906969 - 09/12/12 07:14 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: BartmanMN]
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Will be interesting to see how this all plays out, see how many wolves actually get shot and trapped. I think a limited hunting season is good to put the 'fear of man' back into them, it will stop the wandering around in the daylight that the original poster talked about. Would be interesting to see on a map where they all get killed, my bet is that there will be pockets where quite a few get shot and other areas where none are exposed to hunting, unlike deer that get chased all over the state.
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#2907291 - 09/12/12 02:45 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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I agree nofish, I am aware of how many packs are now living in Ottertail County, sure is a change of the times.
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#2907393 - 09/12/12 04:50 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Musky Buck]
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I also applied. I hunt pretty far North. In our group of 6 last year we saw 20 wolves and 6 deer. The last 4 years I have hunted with these guys we usually had 4 trophy mounts and watched deer on their property all day. We saw absolutely nothing last year.

I think some of the ignored elements to the controversy are:

1) Rapid moose decline. I'm aware of Yellowstone's elk population being completely destroyed by their wolf population. I'd like to know what is known about the wolf depredating moose.

2) Known vs speculated population. It sounds like they speculate the wolf population more than they assess it. I've heard numbers being dramatically higher when flyover studies are performed instead of whatever the heck they do now. If my group has personally seen over 20 different wolves in one small area. I've met people who witnessed wolves from Isabella down to Hinckley. I bet my direct reports are over a hundred. I don't know that many people. The poulation is way higher than estimated.

3) Protest applicants? One way to defeat the wolf hunt would be for protesters to apply for permits to eat up the 6000 lottery tags with non hunters. Did this happen?

4) Closing the season. For those that have experiences like mine, how am I supposed to know when the season closes? I'm in no man's land with no cell service and no tv for opening weekend. Hypothetically they could close the season at 1 pm and I wouldn't know until Sunday night.
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#2907789 - 09/13/12 09:40 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: graf703]
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Originally Posted By: graf703
Hypothetically they could close the season at 1 pm and I wouldn't know until Sunday night.


Sounds like you'd have a better chance of getting your wolf. grin I would think it would be as of the next day or two, not immediate anyway. It's likely they accounted for a possible slight overharvest of their numbers, when calculating.

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#2908465 - 09/14/12 11:40 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: bigbucks]
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When/how do I know if I got a tag?? Getting antsy...

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#2910243 - 09/18/12 05:48 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: kingkobbla]
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They're supposed to let you know the first part of October...you should be able to check results online like for bear and turkey...that is...if they still have a wolf season...

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) has been informed that a petition for review was filed today with the Minnesota Court of Appeals in an attempt to stop the state’s upcoming wolf hunting and trapping season. The agency and the Office of the Attorney General have not been served with or reviewed the petition and have no comment on this legal proceeding.
However, the DNR has stated in the past that the current season poses no biological or conservation threat to the wolf population.


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#2911698 - 09/20/12 09:04 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: lichen fox]
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What a crock of beans! What these extremist groups are doing with all of these lawsuits is nothing short of hunter harassment!

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#2911754 - 09/20/12 11:29 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: shortfatguy]
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I conversed with a warden who has dispatched wolves in the past. He says that it's highly unlikely that the quota will be met. Some will be taken, but they learn fast to stay away from humans. Especially deer hunters. IMO the DNR is gonna come out on top with this one on the tag revenue. It makes money and silences hunters complaints about wolf deer kills enough for them. The wolf is here to stay. I agree they need to be managed through lottery. However, without baiting em some way it's really just a dump shoot for people who draw tags. IMHO. Good hunting:).
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#2911920 - 09/21/12 10:33 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: BlackArrow1]
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Originally Posted By: BlackArrow1
I conversed with a warden who has dispatched wolves in the past. He says that it's highly unlikely that the quota will be met. Some will be taken, but they learn fast to stay away from humans. Especially deer hunters. IMO the DNR is gonna come out on top with this one on the tag revenue. It makes money and silences hunters complaints about wolf deer kills enough for them. The wolf is here to stay. I agree they need to be managed through lottery. However, without baiting em some way it's really just a dump shoot for people who draw tags. IMHO. Good hunting:).


I think the wolf hunt will lend certainty to the issue for me personally.

If the quota is met early it should tell us that the population is, as many hunters suggest, much higher than "experts" have been able to measure.

If the hunt goes very slowly we will know that the "experts" have been right all along and a single wolf sighting goes along way in public perception.

Of course both sides will have backup excuses: hunters not being able to bait, or a rapid successful wolf kill for one season was sufficient and there is no more need to control the population... ever.

I'm just hoping my hunting party can see more deer than wolves. The preliminary report isn't favorable. They haven't had a deer on a camera yet.
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#2911941 - 09/21/12 11:11 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: graf703]
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The success of the hunt doesn't automatically prove who is right about population levels. Success or failure of the hunt has too many variables involved to use it as the lone indicator of population size.

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#2912018 - 09/21/12 12:44 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: nofishfisherman]
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Originally Posted By: nofishfisherman
The success of the hunt doesn't automatically prove who is right about population levels. Success or failure of the hunt has too many variables involved to use it as the lone indicator of population size.



I don't think either side would ever admit to anything as proof. This is too political and has very little to do with factual correctness and more to do with political bargaining.

I can't find the reference because I don't have enough info to look for them. I've heard some old timers discussing independent studies performed by a couple of researchers performing fly over studies in Yellowstone as well as in a state forest in Wisconsin and they find dramatically higher wolf populations than estimated by the similar annual committees in Minnesota that meet and form a consensus based on ???

I think it offers a very important quantifiable variable that is largely missing from the discussion. Myself and many others are very skeptical of the estimated wolf population. If they close the hunt after the first weekend that tells my conscience we did the right thing and it is probably overdue. If 200 wolves are killed throughout the entire season that tells us the wolves aren't running rampant stealing unborn children.
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#2912032 - 09/21/12 12:58 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: graf703]
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I'm a bit unclear as to what some are getting at here, I hear coyotes nightly in Sept. and Oct. unless it's a very windy night, several groups of them yipping and barking etc in many directions at the same time, I moved onto this farm in 1996 and believe it or not I have yet to see 1 during any month of the year deer hunting either so if I went by what I saw I'd say there are 0 around, when I go by what I hear there's dozens of them in my section in the fall. They don't run rampant(in shooting light anyway) and I don't think wolves likely run rampant either, I also have at times wolves on my farm, certainly haven't seen 1 of them either, just tracks and howling generally a loner and not a pack, then you don't hear the yotes. I just hope plenty of hunters get after them in Ottertail county where the population is growing quickly.
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#2912210 - 09/21/12 07:28 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Musky Buck]
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Wolves, from all accounts, are crafty and really tough to hunt. Most of us that applied have no idea [PoorWordUsage] we are doing. So I don't think the success or failure of this hunt says much about the overall wolf population. That's not politics, it's common sense.
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#2912213 - 09/21/12 07:40 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: C10]
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I agree wolves are cunning and masters of survival; however, from the hunting camps in my area, nearly all saw wolves during season. I think they will be educated quick when shots fly, if MN hunts the same way they do out west, reported harvest numbers aren't going to be accurate.
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#2912294 - 09/21/12 10:37 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Odonata]
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I am suprised it took the people for wolfs this long to put up a lawsuit. I guess they don't have much of a case, it took them this long to figure out what to do.
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#2913456 - 09/24/12 02:57 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: knoppers]
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Originally Posted By: knoppers
I am suprised it took the people for wolfs this long to put up a lawsuit. I guess they don't have much of a case, it took them this long to figure out what to do.


I'm guessing they knew exactly what they were doing, and purposefully waited until now to file anything. They know that by filing close to the hunting season, they have a much better chance of the Courts instituting an injunction on the hunting/trapping seasons in order to see how the lawsuit plays out, rather than to have filed much earlier, which would have possibly provided the Courts to hold hearings and make rulings on the issue(s). For as "dumb" as many of these PETA/Tree huggers come off about wildlife/animals/etc., they are often quite savvy in their ways of promoting their cause.
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#2913477 - 09/24/12 03:27 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: InTheNorthwoods]
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Yep, less time to get anything resolved in the court system.

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#2913659 - 09/24/12 08:06 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: upnorth]
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I haven't read all the posts but, I did read one about people getting in the lottery with no intention of steeping off thier front porch if they draw. Just to take so many tags out of the system. The way we do cats here is the state sells an unlimited amount of tags. A kill has to be reported within 24 hours and they must check to see how many have been filled before they go out. That way the tree huggers can't cut into the quota.
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#2913806 - 09/25/12 07:45 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: paul pachowicz]
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Paul, isn't that exactly how the wolf hunt in MN is going to happen, just with limited licenses sold? Way more licenses will be issued than the quota for wolves taken.

- "All applicants must present proof of a previous or current hunting or trapping license in order to apply"

- "Non-resident licenses issued through the lottery will not exceed 5 percent of the total wolf hunting licenses."

- "The lottery will award 3,600 licenses during the early season and 2,400 during the late season, at least 600 of which will be for trapping."

- "Target harvests have been established in each of the state's three wolf hunting zones. If a target harvest is achieved, hunting and trapping will be closed in that zone."

The first and second quotes off the DNR's website pretty much ensure that "tree huggers" (I never understood why liking trees was a bad thing) in Minnesota won't be able to apply. Heck I kinda wish they didn't have the second one, I'd like to see a ton of licenses sold at $250 a pop, but keep the quotas the same.

For every license sold that isn't used, that's another wolf not taken that will extend the season for everyone else.


Edited by mainbutter (09/25/12 07:46 AM)
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#2913818 - 09/25/12 08:02 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: mainbutter]
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Originally Posted By: mainbutter
...For every license sold that isn't used, that's another wolf not taken that will extend the season for everyone else.


So, the treehuggers that get a license will just 'fill' it the first day and shorten the season. Just like they could do in SoDak.

confused

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#2913828 - 09/25/12 08:11 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: mainbutter]
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Quote:
(I never understood why liking trees was a bad thing)



Liking trees is a good thing. Supporting a total ban on harvest is expensive and unproductive, and something completely different in nature...

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#2913842 - 09/25/12 08:36 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: swamptiger]
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Got my Doe permit, whens the dang Wolf draw results coming out? tired
I didn't even see a Wolf hunt lottery section on the DNR site last I checked? confused

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#2914225 - 09/25/12 05:01 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Jameson]
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Originally Posted By: Jameson
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So, the treehuggers that get a license will just 'fill' it the first day and shorten the season. Just like they could do in SoDak.

confused

Im pretty sure the whole wolf is going to have to be presented for registration just like fisher

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#2914626 - 09/26/12 09:17 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: shortfatguy]
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I drew my tag!! Now, filling it is going to be the tough part!
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#2914636 - 09/26/12 09:26 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: NoWiser]
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Originally Posted By: NoWiser
I drew my tag!! Now, filling it is going to be the tough part!
How did you find out?

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#2914639 - 09/26/12 09:29 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: leech~~]
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#2914726 - 09/26/12 11:18 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: NoWiser]
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Just thinking, should be interesting to see in the outdoor news those brave enough to not get on the anti-s-mailing list or whatever what counties these wolves get taken from or if the DNR will list the counties and how many were taken there. With my connections etc. there's no doubt Ottertail,Wadena,Kanabec and maybe even northern Isanti counties could be involved if people apply and wish to pursue them there. Good luck and it should be a very interesting result.
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#2914761 - 09/26/12 11:55 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Musky Buck]
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no tag for me. frown
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#2914871 - 09/26/12 03:06 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: Jameson]
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i pulled a tag!!!!!! it says area A zone A. i found area A is for the early season but where is zone A? isnt the zones either 100 or 200?
iceman

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#2914891 - 09/26/12 03:26 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: iceman16]
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Originally Posted By: iceman16
i pulled a tag!!!!!! it says area A zone A. i found area A is for the early season but where is zone A? isnt the zones either 100 or 200?
iceman

POOOP! None for me. frown Here is what the DNR site has for zones.

Wolf Zone All Seasons Harvest Target Early season harvest target
East Central 18* 9*
Northeast 117* 58*
Northwest 265 133
Total 400 200
*Harvest targets may be adjusted in consultation with tribal authorities that have off reservation treaty rights for hunting and trapping in the East Central and Northeast wolf season zones

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#2914915 - 09/26/12 04:05 PM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: iceman16]
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Originally Posted By: iceman16
i pulled a tag!!!!!! it says area A zone A. i found area A is for the early season but where is zone A? isnt the zones either 100 or 200?
iceman


Iceman,

You were drawn for the same time period and zone as I was. I believe zone A is the Northeast zone, which is very roughly everything north of Moose Lake and east of Hibbing. I hope that's the case, because I applied for the NE zone and got drawn for Zone A. A buddy of mine applied for the NW zone and late hunt, and was drawn for Zone B, Time Period B.



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#2915418 - 09/27/12 11:44 AM
Re: Mn Wolf [Re: mainbutter]
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mainbutter, ahhhhhh, I see. One must show they have had a previous license or trappers permit. Gotcha. So, a 1st timer can't even apply. I'm not trying to tell any state how to run thier programs. I was just commenting. I fish Minnesota on a regular schedule and abide by the rules but, I don't compare our state's regs to yours. That's just the way it is. Last year they opened Custer State Park for a cat season and word had it that the huggers were going to apply en masse with the intention of not hunting them. A ruse to hold tags for the prevention of cats getting killed. Cats & wolves...I know...apples and oranges. Just making a comment.
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