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#2592410 - 05/25/11 06:23 AM
Evinrude E-tech reviews
Big Bobber Offline
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What do you e-tech owners think of your 2 stroke engines? I am thinking about upgrading my motor to a 75 horse and would appreciate your comments. Any major problems or concerns? I presently own a Merc.

Thanks
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#2592562 - 05/25/11 08:58 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Big Bobber]
BobT Offline
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I've been considering upgrading my 1998 90hp Johnson. I narrowed my choices down to a 90hp E_tech or Yamaha 4-stroke. My understanding is that when they were first released they has a few issues but those issues have been resolved. Suppposedly one was related to the fuel pump. The manufacturer of the pump didn't build them to Evinrude specifications and so they had to recall them.

Here's what my research seems to indicate so far.

  • The new E-tech is nearly as quiet as any 4-stroke. 4-strokes may have a slight edge here but not much.
  • The new E-tech exceeds the current emission standards. These standards are bound to get tougher as time goes on which may pose a real challenge for the 2-stokes in the future.
  • The new E-tech will run neck-and-neck with any comparable 4-stroke in terms in fuel economy. In fact, I was told, “At idle (trolling), the E-tech boasts nearly 40% better fuel economy than most 4-strokes. At mid-range and WOT they are comparable."
  • It’s pretty much a given that the lighter weight and 2-stroke performance results in much better hole shot than comparable 4-strokes.
  • 2-stokes have fewer moving engine parts to wear out.
  • One surprise to me was that the 90hp E-tech seemed to carry roughly a $1,000.00 higher price tag than the 90hp Yamaha. This has made my choice difficult but I searched a number of dealers and found that, based on over-the-phone offer, I could upgrade to the E-tech for only $400.00 more than a Yamaha at a dealer in Paynesville.

I’ve all but convinced myself to pull the cord on the E-tech. My wife is even behind me on this and she doesn’t even use the boat. I’ve had the boat for six years and she’s been in it maybe a half-dozen times. Hmm….I wonder what she wants?

The hardest part about my decision is that my ’98 has been such a good engine for me. I’ve only used it for the past six years but it has performed flawlessly. My decision to upgrade rests on whether a new motor with 5-year warranty, lower emissions, quieter running, and 40-50% better fuel economy is worth the price difference.

Bob
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#2592585 - 05/25/11 09:18 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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If I were you, I would take a good look at the Suzuki outboards, IMO they are the best out there. I believe the Suzuki has a 6 year warranty also.

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#2592691 - 05/25/11 11:04 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: suncruiser234]
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As luck would have it I happened to mention to a colleague today that I was considering upgrading to a 90hp E-tech and it turns out that is the motor he has on his boat. His is a 2005 model and he said, “I wouldn’t use any other motor. If I bought a new boat it would be outfitted with an E-tech.” He said it has performed beautifully for him. I know he uses his boat a lot, too. He really likes the fuel economy when he uses it for trolling as much as he does and he also mentioned how convenient the auto-fogging feature was for winter storage.

Bob
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#2593372 - 05/26/11 10:13 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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I just can't get sold on the E-Tec. A buddy got a new E-Tech this year and loved it ...... for about a week ........ until he got stranded and had to be towed in. It took almost a month to get it fixed, it was something in the lower unit. There are plenty of stories like this out there (lots of stories from guys who love their E-Tecs too). Good luck with your decision.

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#2593445 - 05/26/11 11:36 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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Bob,too bad you can't use a 150. Id talk you into a opti that is one year old and runs great. That way I could get an etec for my Triton.
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#2593590 - 05/26/11 02:52 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: yaggie]
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I've got a 2006 115 E-tec. I had a starting issue with it the first year, a software update fixed that. Since then its been trouble free. Great running motor, quiet, not much smoke, you can see a little puff of smoke on the chilly mornings. The oil is expensive(xd 100), but I only use maybe a gallon per year. Pretty good on gas too. I would definitely consider another one on my next boat.
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#2593758 - 05/26/11 08:57 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: shamalex72]
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I have a 115 E-Tec and love it. I have had zero issues and wouldn't own any other at this point in time.
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#2593786 - 05/26/11 09:26 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: PerchJerker]
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Originally Posted By: PerchJerker
I just can't get sold on the E-Tec. A buddy got a new E-Tech this year and loved it ...... for about a week ........ until he got stranded and had to be towed in. It took almost a month to get it fixed, it was something in the lower unit. There are plenty of stories like this out there (lots of stories from guys who love their E-Tecs too). Good luck with your decision.


i would bet it was a 225-250 and when was that as stated i think they had some issues when they where new as does any thing and most other motor 200hp and up
150 here and very happy with it
its a amazing after sitting all winter it fires right NOW the first try!!!!!!!! it has 3 summers behind it now!

i would suspect it was more the dealer issue of it taking so long to get fixed!!!



Edited by gregg52 (05/26/11 09:29 PM)
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#2593896 - 05/27/11 06:53 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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I have a few friends that have had Etecs that were nothing but nightmares. One was an '07 115hp. This guy went through three powerheads in the first year, then sold the boat in the fall. Buddy #2, a very good friend of mine, had an '08 115hp. He had trouble right out the gate. The motor would cough, sputter, miss, and stall. The dealer claimed it was bad injectors, and changed them. That did nothing, so they changed the powerhead, with the same results. After the first season, they had changed the powerhead twice, and the injectors three times. The boat spent the majority of the first season at the dealership. At the start of season number two, the motor still ran like [PoorWordUsage]. Evinrude sent their own regional mechanic to the dealership. He claimed there was absolutely nothing wrong with the motor. Evinrude told my friend that they were done trying to fix this motor, and to live with it. My buddy had the motor removed from his boat, had another motor of a different brand mounted, and filed suit against BRP. I am listed as a witness in the case. Buddy #3 bought a brand new, big dollar rig, and had a Etec 250 HO mounted on it. On his third trip out, the motor grenaded, leaving him stranded way out on Lake Erie. The motor had seven hours on it.

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#2593940 - 05/27/11 07:44 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Het]
gregg52 Offline
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again your talking 07 when they werent around along time
anything that is as high tech as they are is bound to have issues
mines an 07
i can tell stories bout guys that had same problems with merc's
and they have been around since time began

its kinda like surburbans in the 80's tranny's were known to go out
all most a given i was lucky back then never lost one after the problem kinda went away...i have 2000 now and lost the tranny
but i will probably own surburbans till i'm underground!!
so i guess its kinda prefereence and what you believe in and like
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#2594045 - 05/27/11 09:51 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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Originally Posted By: gregg52

i would bet it was a 225-250 and when was that as stated i think they had some issues when they where new

No. It is a 2011 model tiller motor, can't remember the HP but definately under 100 HP, and it happened this year. He bought it at one of the shows this winter/spring, took delivery in in April, spent most of May waiting to get it back.

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#2594157 - 05/27/11 12:21 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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Originally Posted By: gregg52

i can tell stories bout guys that had same problems with merc's
and they have been around since time began



Ummm, Evinrude has been around longer than Mercury has so I don't understand your statement, but yes, every manufacturer has problems from time to time. With that, there seems to be an unusually large amount of Etec injector/lower unit problems. I do know that on the larger HP versions they are on their third lower unit design in the last 4 years so that says something right there.


Edited by mnfishinguy (05/27/11 12:31 PM)

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#2594218 - 05/27/11 01:38 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: John Mickish]
BobT Offline
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They are currently offering a 5-year warranty with their new outboards. That suggests to me they must feel pretty confident in their design. I'm sure some of that is built into their price but they are competing with 4-strokes and are already a bit higher priced as it is.

Bob
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#2594227 - 05/27/11 01:46 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
Het Offline
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Originally Posted By: BobT
They are currently offering a 5-year warranty with their new outboards.


They could offer a ten year warranty, but what good is it if they don't honor it? My buddy had a three year warranty. It wasn't even two years old, it had major problems, and they refused to do anything about it. Hence the law suit.

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#2594232 - 05/27/11 01:55 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Het]
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Every brand has there own warranty policy. Some give you a brand new motor when it blows and some rebuild it(etec). Check out what warranty you are getting before you buy. And remember Direct injection is why Evinrude/johnson went under in the first place.
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#2594284 - 05/27/11 03:37 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: John Mickish]
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Evinrude used to be OMC, which went bankrupt for various reasons perhaps due to FICHT or perhaps due to poor quality control of outsourced components.

Bombardier bought the assets, including the brands, and then spun them off into Bombardier recreational Products (BRP).

So to say they have been around for a long time isn't the whole story.

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#2594300 - 05/27/11 04:04 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Het]
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i guess all i can say is i'm talking from personal experience no hear say
mines good and fits my needs and great on my boat
starts right now
has lots of power my boat is pretty heavy and i doubt
any 4 stroke 150 would push it as well specially out of the hole
seems i can run with skeeters and rangers with 200 4 strokes on them
i've never really raced one
its fairly quite...not as quite as some of the 4 strokes
i can troll either way foward or backwards at ease
oil is spendy but dont use alot
fuel is ok
i had an e-tec before this one and had no problems so thats 2
that I OWNED and both worked very good for me
thats all I can say !!

to coment on the evrinrude/johnson going belly up
i had a johnson for bout 5-6 yrs not a lick of problems
i had an 89 60 evrinrude for 19 that finally toa dump but that motor owed me nothing many many hrs on that boat and motor 100's of walleyes


Edited by gregg52 (05/27/11 05:42 PM)
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#2594348 - 05/27/11 06:48 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Het]
yaggie Offline
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I presently run a Opti but would not hesitate to purchase an etec. I have had no problems with my merc and it performs very well. The biggest advantage with the etec is it runs quite. You can get a four stroke which run very quite but you would have to jump the horse power some to get the same performance.
I personally only know of one person who had a problem with their etec and it was minor. I know of opti owners who have had problems too.
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#2594366 - 05/27/11 07:48 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: yaggie]
John Mickish Offline
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Evinrude did go belly up and was taken over by BRP, and Mercury was purchased by Brunswick at some point to so "whos been around the longest" is kind of a moot point.

I don't think anyone makes a bad motor nowdays, it's just that you hear of trouble more and for whatever reason people like to talk about the Etec failures.

I think the deciding factor is more of do you trust your dealerships input and what his recomendations are.

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#2594463 - 05/28/11 07:04 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: John Mickish]
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I would tend to agree with the above post.
Confidence in the dealer is very important in the decision. Yes I beleive they all make good motors. They also are mechanical machines and may fail at some point. Poor Dealer support and poor service after the sale is enough to destroy the attitude of any boat owner regardless of brand. On the contrary, being treated well and having your concerns and issues delt with professionally will make your purchase a comfortable one.

Problems can occur with any brand, congrats if they havnt.

One thing I've learned over 23 years messing with these things is that there is no clear cut winner when it comes to brand, (that is my humble opinion) There are certain years, models and brands that seem to have been better than others. There are also some that just plain should never been produced, (again, my humble opinion).


If I had confidence in the dealer, I would own an E-tech, if the price was right.
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#2594472 - 05/28/11 07:34 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: John Mickish]
BobT Offline
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They could offer a ten year warranty, but what good is it if they don't honor it? My buddy had a three year warranty. It wasn't even two years old, it had major problems, and they refused to do anything about it. Hence the law suit.

I figure companies can't afford too many defective products. It's just bad for business. Our company philosophy is that for every negative situation we hear about there are ten more that we don't hear about. I worked in our service department for many years and when customers called it wasn't because everything was going great. It was because they needed help with something. NOTE: Our product reliability is considered one of the best in our business and often the benchmark our competition seeks to follow. Good reviews are hard to find but bad news travels fast. I began considering E-tech because I have heard a lot of good news recently. Yes, I am aware that there are some problems that have been talked about and I am also aware that they had some issues when they first released the new design. That's not unusual and they are being addressed. That would be true for every manufacturer out there. I can share stories about Yamaha 4-strokes leaving guys stranded on the Lac Seul reservoir in Ontario Canada five miles from camp leaving them with nothing but an electric bow mount to get back but I can also tell you that I have been impressed with the Yamaha 4-stroke outboards. They are machines and will all have their problems and to base one's decision on one or two incidents would mean never trusting any of them.

It's like my truck. I started a thread in the Automotive forum about a problem with a Ford truck and about half the responses were about how bad Ford trucks are rather than just replying to my question. Well, my personal experience has been nothing but good with Ford products and after trying Dodge, Chevy, and Chrysler products I am now convinced to stay with Ford. But that's my experience and opinion and others' will be different. Such is the way of the world.

The real question is not have you ever heard of anyone having problems with E-techs. The real question is a general one asking how they are over-all. If the company is willing to stand behind them with a five year warranty, that tells me they feel they will come out on the winning end. It wouldn't be good business if the warranty cost them money rather than making them money.

Bob
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#2594515 - 05/28/11 08:55 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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Ihave friends that own every brand out there. I've seen every brand experience a mechanical failure. The difference being, the other brands took care of the problem, asap, whether it was an easy fix, or one that needed repeated diagnotics, ect.

BRP left my buddy hanging. They authorized to change the powerhead twice, and change the injectors three times. Would they have done so if they thought there was nothing wrong with the engine? When he still had problems after all this work was done, BRP told him they were done trying to fix the motor. Once the law suit was filed, they made him an insulting offer to withdraw the case. He did not do so.

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#2594635 - 05/28/11 05:11 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Het]
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All the motors are great these days. Customer service is huge if you do have a problem you wanted to know your going to be taken care of. If you really wanted to know who has the highest quality maybe someone should look into how many quality checks and tested they go threw before they send out a motor? Example say yamaha test there outboards in 30 testes and merc does 25?

Just my two cents. I work in lab the sell products all over the world and we test everything.
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#2594778 - 05/29/11 06:45 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Snake River King]
BobT Offline
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Looks like I'm going to find out...well....hope not. I pulled the plug and ordered a new E-tech 90hp. They should have it installed by next Wednesday or Thursday.

Bob
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#2594779 - 05/29/11 06:48 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: boatfixer]
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Originally Posted By: boatfixer
I would tend to agree with the above post.
Confidence in the dealer is very important in the decision. Yes I beleive they all make good motors. They also are mechanical machines and may fail at some point. Poor Dealer support and poor service after the sale is enough to destroy the attitude of any boat owner regardless of brand. On the contrary, being treated well and having your concerns and issues delt with professionally will make your purchase a comfortable one.

Problems can occur with any brand, congrats if they havnt.

One thing I've learned over 23 years messing with these things is that there is no clear cut winner when it comes to brand, (that is my humble opinion) There are certain years, models and brands that seem to have been better than others. There are also some that just plain should never been produced, (again, my humble opinion).


If I had confidence in the dealer, I would own an E-tech, if the price was right.


I would also say that some brands have gone through rough patches where all their products pretty much are junk, for one reason or another, or where they have some sort of widespread problem and it goes on for year after year. GM certainly had that problem at one time. Ford had a rust problem for some years. Chrysler had a bad tranny for several years that would die prematurely. And OMC clearly lost the recipe before going bankrupt.

The trouble with outboard motors is that information is so hard to find. Even in the peak of the FICHT troubles there wasn't really any hard data available, at least that I could find.

Del

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#2594882 - 05/29/11 02:28 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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Bob - Is your boat a tiller? If so, did you get quotes on the Yamaha with the VTS handle? I absolutely love the VTS on my 90 for controlling the speed, both back trolling and forward trolling cranks. It's worth the money.

Even if you don't have a tiller the VTS can be added with a little wiring. A guy I know has a 75 Yamaha on a console boat and we rigged up the VTS switch near his throttle and he really likes it too.

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#2594892 - 05/29/11 03:39 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: LMITOUT]
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I know a couple E-Tech owners and they are happy with their motors. I would go with the Yamaha. Yamaha, and Honda are very reliable,and have the best resale value. I would not touch a Suzuki. I owned a Suzuki. I bought it new, and it had problems. Terrible service from the dealer, and Suzuki Inc. would not stand behind the engine. There is a reason you see so so many Yamahas and Hondas, and very few Suzukis.
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#2594983 - 05/29/11 08:10 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: cabin]
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Originally Posted By: cabin
I know a couple E-Tech owners and they are happy with their motors. I would go with the Yamaha. Yamaha, and Honda are very reliable,and have the best resale value. I would not touch a Suzuki. I owned a Suzuki. I bought it new, and it had problems. Terrible service from the dealer, and Suzuki Inc. would not stand behind the engine. There is a reason you see so so many Yamahas and Hondas, and very few Suzukis.


Gee, everyone I know except you that has a suzuki loves it. I guess I will soon find out. Let you know in the fall.

smile

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#2594987 - 05/29/11 08:17 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: delcecchi]
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I'm not bashing the Etecs, but when I have three friends that had them, and they gave them nothing but headaches, that tends to lead me away from them. Growing up, all I ever had were Evinrudes and Johnsons. I have a few other buddies that have troubles with their Mercs. One has been through a few lower units, and the other has been through a pile of coils. Thankfully, mine has been trouble free. I have two buddys with Hondas, and they have been relatively trouble free. The bad thing is, the nearest Honda repair shop is over two hours away. I don't see many Suzukis in these parts, although a buddy just bought a Triton 2690 that has twin Suzuki 200's on it. Hopefully they'll perform well for him. yamahas are very popular around here. Those that have them seem to be very loyal to them.


Edited by Het (05/29/11 08:18 PM)

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#2595083 - 05/30/11 06:52 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: LMITOUT]
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Originally Posted By: LMITOUT
Bob - Is your boat a tiller? If so, did you get quotes on the Yamaha with the VTS handle? I absolutely love the VTS on my 90 for controlling the speed, both back trolling and forward trolling cranks. It's worth the money.

Even if you don't have a tiller the VTS can be added with a little wiring. A guy I know has a 75 Yamaha on a console boat and we rigged up the VTS switch near his throttle and he really likes it too.

Console. I'm not sure what the acronym, VTS, stands for.

Bob
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#2595089 - 05/30/11 07:01 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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I just found this on Google. Variable Trolling Speed. The VTS is connected to the ECM (electronic control module) on the engine. It is turning down the idle through the ECM.
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#2595096 - 05/30/11 07:07 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Big Bobber]
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I have a 25hp Etec tiller ...on it's 2nd year and so far it's been A+.

With the VTS you can troll extremely slowly (so slow the gps won't register the speed!)

After sitting in the garage for 5+ months, I finally hit the river on a 35 degree day...and the motor started on the first push of the button! Gotta love that!
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#2595104 - 05/30/11 07:32 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: TapsBug]
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it amazing how quick they fire even after sitting all winter
that motor doesnt even make a revolution
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#2595115 - 05/30/11 07:52 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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Came across a guy yesterday that prolly would have cut his loose and let it sink. Might have thrown anyone in the water with it had they told him how good they are. Then again saw one fire right up to.

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#2595184 - 05/30/11 09:50 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Big Bobber]
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Originally Posted By: Big Bobber
I just found this on Google. Variable Trolling Speed. The VTS is connected to the ECM (electronic control module) on the engine. It is turning down the idle through the ECM.


That's it.

I have two buttons on my tiller handle that I can raise or lower the RPM's while trolling. Super slick. The tiller handle has these buttons integrated right into the top of the handle, but they also have available an enclosed stand-alone switch that can be mounted on the handle. This is what we used for the boat with the 75 and console. The Yamaha's have a connector harness under the hood that you just plug into if you want to add it after the fact.

I don't know if the E-Tech has that feature or not, but the only way you can take my Yamaha VTS is out of my cold, dead, hands. smile

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#2595185 - 05/30/11 09:55 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: boatfixer]
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Originally Posted By: boatfixer
Came across a guy yesterday that prolly would have cut his loose and let it sink. Might have thrown anyone in the water with it had they told him how good they are. Then again saw one fire right up to.


Out of curiosity, if you were to compare repairs/motor issues of Yamaha's and Evinrudes in the 75-90HP range, what would be the ratio that you see between the two? 50/50? (I'm referring to 4-stroke Yamahas and the E-Techs)

Just reading through these posts it appears it's hit or miss with the E-Tech while I rarely see any complaints about the Yamahas.

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#2595191 - 05/30/11 10:10 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: LMITOUT]
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i think you hafta give the engineers at brp some credit for trying to make a motor thats as quite as the 4 strokes and fuel effiecent and meet epa
standards and still not give up the power
theres bound to be issues
build something thats common thread...ho hum
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#2595195 - 05/30/11 10:18 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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Originally Posted By: gregg52
build something thats common thread...ho hum



I'll take "ho hum" every day of the week and twice on Sundays if it doesn't break down.

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#2595235 - 05/30/11 11:23 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: LMITOUT]
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#2595347 - 05/30/11 04:20 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Northlander]
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no movement foward with those attitudes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
still be in row boat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#2597644 - 06/02/11 07:48 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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BobT:

Sent you a message.
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#2598488 - 06/04/11 04:11 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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I don't think you'll be sorry! I have a 50 e-tec and around 400 hrs on it and its been goood. 1 bad injector at around 300 hrs, dealer repaired it no cost no problem. runs like a champ, winterizing is just a snap. sits all winter and in spring hit the key and its running like you just shut it off!! love my e-tec!
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#2606248 - 06/18/11 06:24 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Het]
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Well, on Memorial Day weekend I upgraded my 98 Johnson 90hp to a new 2011 E-tec 90hp. Got the boat back the following week and put it on the water for a test run. Four days later I took it to Canada for a week of fishing with plenty of water running. We put on about 50-75 miles a day on the water so it was a good opportunity to break it in and work it good.

Pros:
* I love how quick that things starts up. I swear I don't hear that engine get more than one cylinder up to compression and it is running. Sweet!

* I love the 2-stroke performance. Like my 98, I would be willing to bet that if I punch it from a dead stop I can be up on plane within 20 feet with three guys in the boat. Terrific acceleration!

* Smooth! Probably the most common comment I heard from the various passengers I had with me (we rotate boat partners every day) was how smooth that motor ran. Purrs like a kitten.

* Quiet. It is definitely quieter than my former 98 Johnson and I thought that was a relatively quiet motor.

* Economical! I could definitely see the difference in fuel economy. We typically arrive at the resort at about noon and fish the afternoon. Then its all day for the rest of the week. Typically, I would be down to less than 1/4 tank of fuel by the end of the day 2. With my new E-tec, I didn't get to that point until the middle of day three and I actually did a little more running on the water than usual on the morning of day 2. Definite improvement.

* Small physical size. You barely notice the motor hanging on the back of the boat. Much smaller footprint than my 98 Johnson or any other 90hp I'm aware of.

* Automatically idles down in neutral. The motor is designed and programmed for 700rpm idle while in gear but when you pull it into neutral it idles down to 600rpm and gets real quiet. I like this feature. I suppose it also reduces wear on the lower unit when you put it into gear.


Cons:
* Although the new E-tec is very quiet I can honestly say that in side-by-side comparison it doesn't compete with the Yamaha 4-stroke. Even the 115 and 150 Yamaha's that others in my group were using were much quieter than my E-tec, especially at idle. I do believe that my E-tec is quieter at mid-range and WOT however. At 4000 rpm we could easily carry on a conversation in the boat without raising our voices.

* Multiple throttle profile. One thing I noticed is that the throttle didn't seem to be smooth. If I gradually move the throttle to accelerate I notice a "flat spot" in the engine rpm increase. I am more accustomed to expecting the motor rpm to increase linearly with my throttle but this one didn't. At first I thought there was something wrong with the motor but after checking the linkage I can see that the thottle linkage is cammed with a flat spot in the cam profile. It accelerates linearly for a short time (up to about 2000 rpm) then goes flatter for a while before accelerating rapidly again. It's hard to explain other than it is like pressing the throttle relatively quick for a while, slowing down the rate that you press it, and then increasing the rate again to full throttle. I don't know why Evinrude did it this way but it's taking some getting used to. Not sure that I like it yet.

Bob
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#2607052 - 06/20/11 08:29 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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In my previous post I mentioned how I wasn't too sure about the throttle control design. I thought I'd post a drawing to illustrate this.

This isn’t an exact drawing but it illustrates what I’m talking about. The linkage from my throttle control connects to the bottom of the throttle cam. When I push forward on the throttle in my boat the throttle linkage rotates the throttle cam to engage the throttle arm. As the throttle arm gets into the area marked (X) the throttle arm’s change of motion is reduced to a considerably slower rate of change relative to my throttle lever. As I continue to push the throttle and the cam rotates past the area marked (X) the throttle cam increases the rate of change in acceleration again up to full throttle.

Any throttle cam I’ve seen before had a constant curve profile so the rate of change for the throttle was constant as you pushed the throttle lever forward.

Any idea why Evinrude designed it this way rather than a constant throttle profile?


Bob
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#2607109 - 06/20/11 09:31 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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BOB, it could be to lengthen the sweet spot at cruising speed. What is the RPM range on the flat spot?
Some if not most believe an outboard has two speeds, trolling and WOT. Cruising speed has been long forgotten, why, because at some period of time folks thought they needed to race across the lake at WOT. An under powered boat is often run at WOT just to perform, a boat that is matched to outboard correctly is throttled back after its on plane to cruising speed. Backing off to cruising speed will decrease fuel consumption and RPMs. It'll also extend the life of the outboard. When you prop an outboard you want to achieve max RPMs at WOT, it doesn't mean your supposed to stay at max RPMs.
Some might ask what is cruising speed? It is a combination of the best, speed at plane, RPMs, fuel consumption, and boat handling.

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#2607192 - 06/20/11 11:10 AM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Surface Tension]
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I've considered what you're saying and that's the only explanation I could come up with on my own. In order to get mine up on plane I need to exceed about 20mph, which I acheive at just over 2000rpm. Coincidentally, this is about where the flat spot is and so maybe you're right. My best cruising speed based on ride, handling, and motor sound is anywhere from 25mph to 30mph (3000rpm to 4000rpm). I like to run in that range. 40mph is more than I care to run on most days and from what I've read and learned about outboard power curves, it seems best to stay below 75% throttle for economy sake and motor performance.



Edited by BobT (06/20/11 11:12 AM)

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#2607373 - 06/20/11 02:30 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: BobT]
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i have a 150 i run around 35 most of the time
44 is max
mine is consloe though so i cant say i 've really noticed your issue
most of the time its to ruff to run wide open any way
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#2607420 - 06/20/11 03:18 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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I have a console as well. It'll push about 40mph but like you I hold my speed down. I usually like to run between 25 and 30 as that is the most comfortable speed for me and my boat.

Bob
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#2607550 - 06/20/11 06:59 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: gregg52]
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Originally Posted By: gregg52

most of the time its to ruff to run wide open any way

I didn't think it was ever to rough for a Yar Craft grin

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#2607704 - 06/20/11 09:35 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: John Mickish]
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old you know
but thats why i have
smother than most on the water i fish..winnie...mille lacs..etc..etc.
e-tec..lol
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#3157896 - 11/25/13 09:30 PM
Re: Evinrude E-tech reviews [Re: Big Bobber]
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I know this is an old forum, but wanted to see if anyone had updates on the 2013 115hp Etec? Has the reliability concerns been addressed? Also, was there issues with the 2007 year? I heard that there were fuel injector issues.


Edited by Trotslot (11/25/13 09:32 PM)
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