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#2525582 - 03/06/11 12:51 PM
Boat remodeling
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I am new to the boards. So first, hello to everyone. I look forward to picking the brains of all the more experienced boaters out there. I started out fishing lake Michigan when I was a kid. I got a way from fishing as a teen, but now I am married and fishing relaxes me when the wife is irritating me laugh....so now I fish inland lakes, mainly for bass and northerns.

I spent 500 dollars last year on a 1969 Glastron with a 1976 75 HP Evinrude. I took it out a few times and had constant water problems. Boat filled up and was running my pump way too often. I thought it was the holes in the back for the old transducers. I filled the holes and then stored the boat. A few weeks ago we took it out of storage to redo the interior. I took out the carpet and some wood in back and realized my transom was rotted and the stringers in back were also rotted. I decided to junk the boat, but keep the motor. I figured 500 bucks for a great running 75 HP is a solid deal.

I found a 1983 16' Cheeateh. Great condition, no motor and a trailer (which I am trading for help on the boat work). I will use my Glastron trailer which is GREAT condition. I am adding a platform with storage in the back, with a platform in the front. I want to add a live well in the front as well. The first question I have is regarding the live well. What is a good way to make one? I am not too worried about pumping IN water. I can always bucket some in. I have a bait well in front (which I am considering turning into a cooler, after I add some insulation to it). The bait well has a drain line, I will use a T and connect the drain from the live well to it. This should allow both wells to drain. Is it really important to have an aerator for the live well? I really have no idea how to make this live well work.

The plat form in back is built, just needs carpet and a hinge on the storage door. I am adding a bench seat to the front of the box and then have pedestal seats for driver and passenger as well. Thus giving me lots of seating. Plus I am going to add cushions in the front to sit on the platform. Just in case I want to party on the boat and not fish for one night.

What do you think of the boat and got any ideas for the live well?

Just the boat, before I bought it




The boat, back platform all framed out




The platform built, the pedestals are NOT bolted down, just showing where they will go





Edited by drippinwet (03/06/11 12:59 PM)
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#2525676 - 03/06/11 03:29 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Livewell pumps are not aerators- they are just water pumps that cycle freshwater into the well. I really think they are important not just for having more water with oxygen but also keeping the temp of the water down. I am not sure what to make the livewell out of but I would think that a cooler would work great. You have the back of the boat open now, you should be able to put in an intake line low in the transom and seal it properly. Run the line to whateve you use for a tank, and have it come in on the top. Right below that out in a line that acts as your overflow and t connect that to your drain line coming out the bottom. A fair amount of farting around but it should work. Good luck.
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#2525761 - 03/06/11 05:47 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: gdog]
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How do I pump the water in? how do I prevent water from just pouring into the hole in the transom? This is the biggest issue I have, I am not sure how to do all that.
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#2525796 - 03/06/11 06:22 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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You will need to get a fitting that will go through your transom and then hook it to your livewell pump. I would contact one of the boat dealers and tell them what you are doing. They will likely be able to hook you up with something that will work. You could also call one of the glass boat makers and talk to one of their techs and buy the fitting and maybe even the cement/sealer that you will need to install it. Once hooked to the pump, water will only come through the intake when the pump is turned on.
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#2526622 - 03/07/11 02:46 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: gdog]
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I bought 4 new seats last night and I got 2 new batteries from Batteries Plus. I picked up a deep cycle battery for my trolling motor and a starting battery for my motor and electronics. Any one have experience with Xtreme Marine batteries? It was a lot cheaper than batteries at Gander Mountain, but I never checked out Farm and fleet or anything. Hopefully it was a good deal. After 2 10 dollar mail in rebates the total is 115 for BOTH. On Wednesday I will finish the plat form in the back and should get my electronics installed as well as the front platform on. From there all I need to do is the live well and add the steering. Should be a fun week laugh
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#2530005 - 03/10/11 06:46 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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All I need to do is add the bench seat and the platform is done. I got the front platform cut and carpeted, just need to add the live well and then the front is done. The trolling motor plug and cable are run, just need to mount that and the 2 fish/depth finders, then run the steering to the motor and connect all the electric and she is ready!!!
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#2530508 - 03/11/11 10:05 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Nice work!!

Did you ever think about jump seats? Extra fishing platform.

Faster then a speeding bullet......
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#2531317 - 03/12/11 08:53 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: bASS_BLASTER]
drippinwet Offline
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Originally Posted By: bASS_BLASTER
Nice work!!

Did you ever think about jump seats? Extra fishing platform.



What are jump seats?
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#2534581 - 03/15/11 08:39 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Front deck with spot for live, cooler and storage, all 3 outside boards hinge open.



Back casting deck with middle storage compartment. Entire underneath is open for storage.



Custom made bench seat. Seems low to the ground, but it's not too low while sitting on the bench.



Good view from the back showing all the work.



Trolling motor mounted and ready to roll.

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#2534737 - 03/16/11 05:57 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
Valv Offline

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The simplest way to have a working livewell is to add a pump that pushes water into tank, then an overflow fitting to eliminate water after a set level. This way the pump runs water into the well and keeps circulating by exiting the tank at he overflow, just like a bath tub.
Pump will have to be through hull, or installed on the outside of the hull with a hose coming inside going over the splashwell (like a pontoon type setup).
When in motion the movement of boat will "suck" the water out through the same way it came in, you will have to add a plug to keep water in well or a tube that fits inside inlet fitting and keeps water at the level you decided.

It's tougher to describe in writing that the actual system, if you need fitting you're welcome to stop by I can give you a lot of parts you will need.




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#2534742 - 03/16/11 06:24 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Nice looking job. Did you waterproof the wood before ypu put on the carpet? Last year helped a friend do a boat for his kid,he didn't treat the wood and now everything is swelled and warped, mildewed and the boat has to be redone.
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#2534815 - 03/16/11 07:43 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Crappyfisherman]
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Jump seats are the little seats that fold down level with the deck when not in use. I've seen where guys have made bench seats across the back that fold down forward and turn into a deck. The only thing is how to take advantage of that wasted space under the seat for storage and be able to get at it when the seat is in either position.
Still, a really nice job on the boat and it's the way you want it!! That's the nice thing about customizing.
Have done allot of that to my boat and I think that's what keeps me from getting a newer one is I just can't find one like mine.
Again great job! Have fun on the water, looks like you will!!
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#2534835 - 03/16/11 07:58 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: walleyemaniac]
drippinwet Offline
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I got treated plywood, we're hoping this is enough. I still need to build the livewell, so maybe that will be next year's project. And the jump seats do sound like a great idea, but I like sitting up higher while fishing. Not sure if you can with jump seats. I can put the seats in the storage in back, they are just smaller enough to fit in the storage.

One thing I am having trouble with is where to put my rods. I have rods lay around while you fish because no matter where you put them you always seem to step on them. Any suggestions?
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#2535038 - 03/16/11 10:44 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Get one of those up right plastic rod holders....

A bad day of fishing is better than a good day of work.

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#2535060 - 03/16/11 10:59 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
Valv Offline

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Originally Posted By: drippinwet

One thing I am having trouble with is where to put my rods. I have rods lay around while you fish because no matter where you put them you always seem to step on them. Any suggestions?


Get this guy at Cabelas:

Cabelas rod holder


Edited by Valv (03/16/11 11:01 AM)




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#2535082 - 03/16/11 11:17 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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O)h that thing rocks. I guess I'll have to add one to my wish list.
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#2535219 - 03/16/11 01:24 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Tator2k]
Valv Offline

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It's well worth it, it keeps all the rods upright, no more stepped on broken rods. When done fishing, just grab the whole unit and take it with you, no more tangled lines while hauling rods, etc.
I have 2 of them and use whenever I can, I actually fixed them so I can use on most any boat seat base, even if I rent the boat.
You can move in the back when you're casting in the front, and viceversa.




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#2535262 - 03/16/11 02:11 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
drippinwet Offline
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So I just figured out the boat has a transducer mounted in the bottom of the boat (where the bilge pump is in back). Does this actually work, I mean can the sonar go through the boat to see depths and fish? I thought they just bounced off things and reported it back as fish and the bottom. Also, how do I determine which brand the plug is for? I know it does not connect to my Humminbird, how can I figure out what it connects to?


Edited by drippinwet (03/16/11 02:12 PM)
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#2535388 - 03/16/11 04:28 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Can you post a picture ?




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#2535407 - 03/16/11 04:57 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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Ya boat is at my uncles, should be getting it Friday, so I will try and post a pic of it on Sat.
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#2535417 - 03/16/11 05:14 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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imho they work better, less interference from turbulance

Good Luck
Bruce Baird

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#2535557 - 03/16/11 08:17 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: boatfixer]
delcecchi Offline
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Yes, thru hull transducers work great on glass boats. Only issue might be if it is compatible with your depth finder.

Del

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#2537782 - 03/19/11 07:39 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: delcecchi]
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Ugh so I finally got my boat done. Never checked the motor because its been too cold and my buddy did not have his faucet outside hooked up. After I left his house I went down to the lake to fire it up. Luckily the water near shore was open so I could get it in. It started up instantly and run for about 5 seconds while bellowing out white smoke. It then died. I tried for a while to get it started (with and without the choke on) and it eventually flooded out. I went and bought 6 new plugs (nice to have 3 extras) and got home and put them in. I connected the water and tried to fire it up still nothing. I have spark and fuel is definitely getting to the plugs. Another thing is I have an oily substance coming from my exhaust (which is through the center of the prop). What is causing this and why won't it start? Could my carbs be that clogged up where it is coming out through the exhaust? Please help. I will say before winter I bought stabil and put some in the fuel. But another buddy says I may not have ran it long enough...only ran it for a minute or 2 if I remember correctly. Could this be playing a role?
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#2537959 - 03/20/11 08:08 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Good news is I got the motor running great. My Evinrude is electric start with a pull start on it. The key switch has the choke, but on the motor there is an on/off/automatic choke system as well. The choke got bumped to on and was constantly flooding the motor. So I put it on Automatic and BOOM she fired up. Bad news is, the water pump is not working. I have a 1976 75 HP Evinrude, how hard is it to replace a water pump on something like this?
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#2539304 - 03/21/11 07:29 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Well I took the bolts out of the bottom of the lower unit. It had a bolt under the motor up top that held the long shaft in place. I had to undo this bolt to release the lower unit. The fuel pump/filter was in my way so I removed the pump but one gas line was stuck and I could not get it off. I thought it I cut it I could just replace the hose. I cut it and got the bolt off and the lower unit came right off. When I looked at the gas line I cut it had a spring like inner lining. What is the purpose of this? What type of fuel line do I need to use to replace the one I cut? Here are some pics of the fuel line I cut and also some pics of my lower unit. What do I do now that the lower unit is off to install a new water pump?

This was the section I could not for the life of me pull off. It was stuck on so I cut it. See the spring inside the line, do I need to find hose with this or is it just old and outdated? Also, the bolt below it was what I need to get at.




The hose still connected to the fuel pump. Just another view of it showing the spring inside the line.




Lower unit looking down the rod. I assume I take the plate at the bottom off and the water pump is that piece?



A closer look at the lower unit, again I just take off the bolts and remove that "plate" and that is what i need to replace?



A side view of the lower unit. How does the unit look, does it need to be cleaned and how do I do that?



A look in what I think is that lower unit oil "pan"? This seems extremely dirty to me, is this ok or does some sort of maintenance need to be done?



This is the plug that came from what I think is a transducer that is mounted in the back of the boat. It does not fit my Humminbird, does anyone know what brand this plug is for?

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#2539542 - 03/22/11 07:29 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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from the top, it looks like a Lowrance fitting.

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#2539863 - 03/22/11 11:25 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: JosMN]
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Take the bolts off the plastic housing that surround the drive shaft and you'll be into the water pump.

The dirty passage way is the thru hub exhaust...the grease liquid you refer to is likely unburnt fuel or fogging fluid or both.. especially if the motor was running flooded.

As far as the spring in the fuel line, I'm not sure.. I can't say that I've seen that before, but I'm no expert.

Replace the fuel lines with marine grade fuel hose.

marine_man

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#2540291 - 03/22/11 05:25 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: marine_man]
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I agree the connector looks like Lowrance or Eagle, a side view would help too.




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#2540293 - 03/22/11 05:27 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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#2540349 - 03/22/11 06:34 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: marine_man]
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Originally Posted By: marine_man
Take the bolts off the plastic housing that surround the drive shaft and you'll be into the water pump.

The dirty passage way is the thru hub exhaust...the grease liquid you refer to is likely unburnt fuel or fogging fluid or both.. especially if the motor was running flooded.

As far as the spring in the fuel line, I'm not sure.. I can't say that I've seen that before, but I'm no expert.

Replace the fuel lines with marine grade fuel hose.

marine_man



Once I take apart the water pump is it easy to replace?

Also, do I need to clean the exhaust passage and if so with what? The entire lower unit is dirty I want to clean it, but do not know what is a good cleaner.
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#2540356 - 03/22/11 06:42 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Originally Posted By: drippinwet


Whoops sorry my bad. That's Garmin




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#2540361 - 03/22/11 06:47 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
Valv Offline

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Originally Posted By: drippinwet


Once I take apart the water pump is it easy to replace?

Also, do I need to clean the exhaust passage and if so with what? The entire lower unit is dirty I want to clean it, but do not know what is a good cleaner.


Yes it is very easy to replace, get a "kit" which includes impeller, gaskets, end housing. BE VERY VERY CAREFUL not to drop the woodruff key inside the lower unit. It is stuck between the impeller and the driveshaft, you'll see it when you take housing out. Might be best to put rags to close any hole beneath them as soon as you lift 1/4" of the pump.

You can scrape the deposits as you wish. The outside will clean up good if you use The Works, toilet and bowl cleaner (don't laugh) but do it outside and when motor is all together, beware it's acid




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#2540394 - 03/22/11 07:21 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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I'll second the Garmin connector.
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#2540401 - 03/22/11 07:33 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: goose89]
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+1, definately Garmin

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#2540913 - 03/23/11 11:17 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: JosMN]
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Well I took the water housing off and the impeller looks ok. My housing is a metal one with a black plastic tube that sticks up t pump the water....I had 0 gaskets between the plate and the housing. Everything seems to be ok to me. Nothing really damaged. So why would water not pump through? I am now second guessing whether I allowed the motor to run long enough in the cold rainy weather that day to get the thermostat hot enough to open. Or the thermostat is bad and I have no idea where that is or how to replace it...thoughts?
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#2540917 - 03/23/11 11:20 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Also, underneath the housing and impeller was a cylinder like thing with 4 bolts on that. I took the bolts out and it looked like a bearing inside, I could not slip it off over the long rod, what is this thing and could this be my problem?
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#2541360 - 03/23/11 06:14 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Well I did some investigating and decided to check my thermostat. I had to call a Marina to locate the darn thing, but I got it lol. The marina guy told me he was having issues with 1976 Evinrudes, the thermostats worked, but for some reason would get clogged or would just decide not to work. He said he was taking telling customers to remove the thermostat completely and not put one back on, but said I could run it for a month or so and then put one on if I choose. Well, why would Evinrude put a thermostat on the motor if it did not need one? I think I will run it a bit without the thermostat and then I will install a new one or the old one, I checked the old one in hot water and it worked fine.

Now I reassembled the whole motor. I fired it up and let it run for a while and noticed a pee stream coming from the interior side of the motor...it shot water TOWARDS MY BOAT.....is this typical? I thought it shot AWAY or behind the boat....I have 2 holes (exhaust holes possibly) that come out the back and sputters water, but no stream. I assumed this is where my stream would come. I thought last year it came through those, but I could have a bad memory. I loaded 3 pics, can anyone tell me which holes are suppose to be the stream holes?

Also, not I have no thermostat in right now, if it makes a difference.

You can see the stream to the right shotting AT the boat. This was a solid, consistent stream.



These are the holes that I thought was the stream holes. Water sputter out of these holes, but no consistent stream.



Another view of BOTH holes again one spitting consistently and one not doing much.




Edited by drippinwet (03/23/11 06:15 PM)
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#2541612 - 03/24/11 05:33 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
Valv Offline

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The picture below shows the main water exhaust, you should see a heavy water sputter from it.




This is where the "tell tale" stream should be on newer motors. Obviously yours doesn't have it, so the main visible outlet are the 2 holes in picture above.





The stream you see has not much influence since it's underwater.

You can start motor and feel the head sides if the become hot, that's a good sign the impeller is bad. Also did you look to see it he key is installed between impeller and shaft ?




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#2541651 - 03/24/11 07:04 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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I just took the water pump apart and it was still good, even took it to a marina and the guy said it was fine. I took the thermostat out yesterday and ran it so wouldn't I see a stream regardless of how hot the motor is?
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#2542156 - 03/24/11 01:34 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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From the 2 big holes above you will see an abundant sputter, not a stream. Check inside motor area where I put the arrow, there should be a rubber hose coming from under the block. It might be too old motor to have it, I believe they added the tell tale in the late '70s early '80s.




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#2542159 - 03/24/11 01:37 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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Originally Posted By: Valv
From the 2 big holes above you will see an abundant sputter, not a stream. Check inside motor area where I put the arrow, there should be a rubber hose coming from under the block. It might be too old motor to have it, I believe they added the tell tale in the late '70s early '80s.


You are correct, the tele tale came in 1977 and I have a 76, so I technically do not have one. But the water has to come out somehow, how does this work exactly?
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#2542336 - 03/24/11 04:34 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Can you mount a transducer on the bow somewhere? I have a TM, but would rather not mount it to that and I already have one in back on the transom. I want to put another one up front looking ahead of the boat where I fish laugh.....but where is a good spot for it?


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#2543989 - 03/26/11 09:30 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Water will come out of the tell-tale even when the thermostat is closed(assuming u had a tell tale)

If im not mistaken the water flows thru the motor and out thru the exhaust. it can be hard to tell sometimes without a tell tale and especially with just the garden hose flusher supplying the water. should be easier to tell at the lake or in a tank.

I would not reccomend running the motor without a stat, it needs to get up to a certain temp to run properly and without a stat it will be running cool most of the time.

That line you cut looks to me like the vacuum line from the crankcase to the fuel pump. parts guy at the repair shop will be able to get you the right stuff.


I would highly reccomend getting a repair manual for your motor. it is well worth the 20 bucks or whatever they cost these days. it will tell you the proper procedures for all the stuff you are doing

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#2544016 - 03/26/11 09:59 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Originally Posted By: drippinwet
Can you mount a transducer on the bow somewhere? I have a TM, but would rather not mount it to that and I already have one in back on the transom. I want to put another one up front looking ahead of the boat where I fish laugh.....but where is a good spot for it?



Gonna be tough. Could have a pole that goes over the edge from the deck.

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#2549021 - 03/31/11 05:29 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: LightningBG]
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Finally got her out. She starts great and sounds great, but 2 things wrong.

1st, the gearing is out of whack. When I first fired it up, the throttle was in neutral but it was running in reverse, I had to play with the throttle to get it in neutral. Then we left the dock and had another problem, but that will be the next paragraph. We bummed around and fished for a bit with the motor off and anchored. We decided to move and fired up the boat, but when I put it in forward it was grinding and did not shift into gear. We had to troll around fished a bit more. Then when we went to leave I jammed it forward and it grinded again, but it slammed into gear. What could this be? Did I mess something up when i resintalled my lower unit last week?


Problem number 2 is a big concern for me. Even when I bought the last boat (which was smaller) this motor has an issue planeing out. I read that if you keep the motor about an inch high it would plane quicker and now lift the front end as much. So we left it about an inch high. The motor runs fine and revs great, but it just will not plane me out. Last year with the smaller boat it did the same thing, but if we added weight up front it would plane out and would go 30 MPH. Today I had a 240 pound guy up front, but it would not plane out. I know I have a lot of weight in back with my new deck, but there has to be a way to fix this problem. Do I need to lower the motor more or change my prop? My buddy has a 70 HP evinrude about 10 years new and his prop is much bigger than mine.

Thoughts?
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#2549338 - 04/01/11 06:50 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Glad to hear you got it out on the water.

I'd start with disconnecting your throttle and shift cables under the motor hood... make sure the shift linkage is in neutral (center of the travel basically) and manually slide the linkage / control forward and see if your motor goes into gear.

It's possible when you re-installed the lower unit that the shift rod got out of alignment and needs to be adjusted as well.

Is there a tachometer in this boat? Any idea what pitch prop is on it now?

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#2549345 - 04/01/11 07:05 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: marine_man]
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The majority of water will come out through the prop. You will see more come out of the exhaust releif ports that Valv pointed to whil it is in the water due to back pressure. On the hose, you may not see as much.

As long as you didnt unscrew the shift rod, you adjustment should not have changed much. Do as MM said and remove the shift cable at the motor and check for shift funtion there. Find your nominal nuetral and see if the the cable lines up while the control box is in nuetral.

Also as MM was eluding to, we need to know what prop and RPM its running at WOT to determin ifthe right pitch prop is on there. There are so many variables when it come to performance.

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#2549371 - 04/01/11 07:29 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: boatfixer]
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Well, stupid me, unscrewed the shift linkage, not knowing what I was doing. So how do I figure out how far it needs to be screwed in?


I have no idea what the pitch is now, how do I find out? Also, I do not have a tach, but from what I read online, the optimal RPMs is 5800.
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#2549437 - 04/01/11 08:26 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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The pitch on your prop should be stamped on the outside between the blades, or on the hub underneath the nut (or on opposite side). If you cannot understand the numbers, post them here, MM and BF will crossreference it.... grin




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#2549747 - 04/01/11 12:49 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Valv]
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Just found this post....wow, nice work on the mod!

You have open water?! Not fair!
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#2549901 - 04/01/11 04:34 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: Shoot2Kill]
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Well the prop info (D and P) were not stamped on there. I took it to a marina and they sent it out (for free) to their prop guy to get a measurement on it to determine P. I should know in about a week what it is. Also, I am going to try my buddies prop tomorrow and see if his works better. His is more horizontal than mine which means it should be slightly better.


Any ideas on what to do with my gear problems? I turned that rod that connects under the carbs, how do I know where to turn it back to?!?!?!?
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#2550108 - 04/01/11 09:14 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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I'm not aware of any "procedure "... I would disconnect the shift cable and try to figure out which direction it is off ands adjust accordingly. Verify you are in neutral by rotating the prop... If it rotates freely you're in neutral.

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#2550426 - 04/02/11 01:45 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: marine_man]
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Well I think the motor is too small for my boat now. I bought a boat that is 1 foot longer and wider, plus went from a small tri-hull to a deep V and added in 3/4" treated plywood to the back for a platform to the boat. I checked compression (110, 100 and 100), got great spark and motor is at the correct depth. The motor revs like it wants to go but then bogs like it cannot push the boat. I have no idea what else it could be....The motor is a 1976 75 HP Evinrude
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#2550511 - 04/02/11 05:31 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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Ugh now I really don't know. One mechanic says the compression is low and the motor is not strong enough anymore, another says my motor is far enough in the water while another says it is not far enough in the water. Not to mention I cut my transom to make it work and supposedly it is still not far enough and in order to get a 20" shaft motor to fit I need to build it back up. I have no idea what to believe and this thing is beginning to stress me out...FML, what do I do?!?
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#2551515 - 04/04/11 06:51 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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What Pitch Prop are you running?

Can you repost your specs? Motor HP, Boat length?

The cavitation plate (the big flat plate on the lower unit) should be flush with the bottom of the boat.

Your compression doesn't sound too far out of line... at a minimum they're all pretty close to each other... it could be a little higher, but I've heard of worse.

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#2552234 - 04/04/11 07:53 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: marine_man]
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Well i have come to the conclusion that my motor is not low enough. I have a 15 inch short shaft and it does not reach far enough into the water. I had to cut my transom to get it as low as i did and it is not low enough. So now I am looking at selling or trading my motor for a 20 inch shaft to throw on the boat.
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#2553301 - 04/06/11 02:41 AM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: drippinwet]
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looks like fitting is for the Eagle brand of locators
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#2562420 - 04/16/11 03:13 PM
Re: Boat remodeling [Re: skyhawk]
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OK well the motor is a short shaft and now long enough, I have it up for sale, and just purchased a 90 HP Mercury with power tilt and trim.....I am removing the old motor now and then need to rebuild the portion of the transom I cut out....I am going to put a piece of wood in the slot, fiberglass it and wrap the back all the way up and over the piece I just mounted....then bolt the aluminum plate (stainless stell would be too heavy right?) to the boat and then bolt the motor through the piece as well....then try to connect everything lol
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